Harry and Meghan tell about ‘almost unsurvivable’ abuse on mental health podcast

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have spoken about "almost unsurvivable" online abuse while appearing on a podcast with a group of teenagers to mark World Mental Health Day.

Harry and Meghan joined three Californian high school students on an episode of their podcast Teenager Therapy and discussed topics including mental health stigma, self-care and online abuse.

The duchess said the Covid-19 pandemic, which has closed schools around the world, has meant more time online for many.

She told hosts Gael, Kayla, and Thomas: "Yes, it's a great way to connect, but it also ends up being a place where there's a lot of disconnection, you know, I can speak personally to.

"I'm told that in 2019 I was the most trolled person in the entire world, male or female. Now, eight months of that I wasn't even visible, I was on maternity leave or with a baby.

"But what was able to just be manufactured and churned out, it's almost unsurvivable, that's so big, you can't think of what that feels like, because I don't care if you're 15 or 25, if people are saying things about you that aren't true, what that does to your mental and emotional health is so damaging."

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Harry added that people may hide behind usernames on virtual spaces to project or say things they would not say in person.

He continued: "I think many, many people are hurting, a lot, and are freaking out because of the way the world is and because of, sometimes, the echo chamber that has been created for them by the online platform that they've chosen to be on.

"But also it comes down to control as well, you can control what you see, you can control what you do, so whether it's notifications or whether it's vibration ringtones, whatever it is, these things control you, rather than taking control."

The broadcast was recorded earlier this week in the area of Santa Barbara where the Sussexes now live, and with everyone socially distanced and wearing masks.

It normally features five senior students, from Loara High School in the Orange County city of Anaheim, who have candid conversations about a range of topics from mental health, school and family to friendships and sexuality.

The pair discussed their coping strategies for anchoring their mental health – Harry told the hosts he meditates and Meghan said she journals.

Harry emphasised the importance of prioritising self-care and having candid conversations about wellbeing, adding: "The more we talk about it the more it becomes normal, and it is normal, and it's not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength."

The duke and duchess later criticised algorithms on social media sites which promote suggested content, and said consuming online material should be treated in the same way as a physical diet.

Harry said: "I think it's very easy to be sucked in and consumed by negativity, but we all have the choice to be able to cut that out of our lives.

"Hate following has become a thing, you don't need to do that. Just as much as we worry about, be concerned, and take notice of what we put in our bellies as a diet, the same applies for our eyes and our mind, what we're consuming is affecting us."

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