Presenter has extraordinary call with listener fed-up with UK becoming a 'different society'
This is Maajid Nawaz's extraordinary conversation with an LBC caller who couldn't bring herself to say white and brown people had equal rights.
Ursula started her call to Maajid Nawaz by saying she doesn't like seeing "Islam robes" and "women covered from head to toe".
And as she began to argue that "whole areas are turning into a different society", Nawaz started to press on where her view originates.
But the conversation took a turn when she accused him of deceiving his accent to 'appear as an Englishman'.
Nawaz asked: "Do you think I'm English?"
She replied: "I think you need to calm down."
But as the LBC presenter said he was actually laughing, she uttered: "You couldn't laugh at me dear, I am too far above you."
Nawaz repeated: "Do you think I'm English?"
"No," she replied: "You're British."
"You can be British and be born in Hong Kong, you can be born in Nigeria."
She added: "You're English if you're born in England."
Nawaz replied: "I was born in England, so I'm English?"
"I don't give a damn."
Nawaz said: "The undertones of your conversation, and the fact you're not embarrassed about speaking like this is really fascinating.
"Whatever it is, I'm trying to hold a conversation with you but rather than throw insults at me, could you focus.
"Do you think white people in Britain have more rights, or should have more claim to this country, than brown people?"
Ursula replied: "I don't know."
Nawaz said: "It's quite a simple, relatively easy answer, most listeners would say no. Why can't you see us all as equal?"
She replied: "Because I don't know."
Nawaz said: "So you don't think we're equal?"
She said: "I think it's a deep, deep philosophical question that you just can't give with a sweeping answer."
Nawaz replied: "It's quite a straight forward question if you don't want to be called a racist."
- This article first appeared on LBC